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We must be careful here; it is one thing to say that Satan has infiltrated the Church, that there are those in the hierarchy under his control, but to say that Satan is "in control" of Rome stretches what most orthodox Catholics are comfortable with regarding the Traditional understanding of the Roman Pontiff.In a message from 1979, Veronica Lueken exhibits her shocking ignorance of the sacrament of Holy Orders with this diatribe against the permanent diaconate:"Why are you now planning to take married men, making them what you call deacons, to give the sanctity and holiness, the grace in marriage to My sheep? He gave Himself to beget a Son and Holy Spirit. A great war will erupt suddenly, such as has not been seen from the beginning of creation. (June 18, 1990)Perhaps this is a metaphorical way of saying "I have suffered", but since our Lady and our Lord have perfect knowledge, they would never use such sloppy language. Undetected. I had always wondered about that. There is one who is described in Scripture as "roaming about" the world and "walking to and fro" upon it, but it is not Mary or any saint (cf. It is waste for two reasons - one, just wasting my years reading all these banal, stupid messages; and two, the fact that, for those caught up in Bayside, nothing will convince them otherwise. A devious plan took form. Ransom them even from hell." There is nothing to fear but fear itself" (Oct 2, 1987)I'm not positive, but I am pretty sure that when Jesus speaks through a seer, He does not quote Franklin Delano Roosevelt's 1933 inaugural address.And...Did you know that the Virgin Mary has a charming little nickname for St. Michael the Archangel? This is weird, since all popes have referred to Mary as their Mother. ?Mary tells Veronica to pray the Rosary. My child and my children of the world, please believe Me. My child, you have forgotten the real reason for all this: man will benefit from it in the end. (June 18, 1988).Yes, she said our Lord "changed His mind" about something. But he’s grinning in a very evil-looking way. Jesus needs to go back to third grade to learn the difference between a continent and a country. (Dec. 24, 1979). What am I eating?" This is simply a falsehood, and further more, not at all relevant to the message of eternal salvation, which all legitimate private revelations concern themselves with. Now, Baysiders will inevitably say that the letter of these prophecies may not have been violated, but it is indisputable that these prophecies give the impression of certain things coming to pass that certainly did not pan out. P2A 2X2 (705) 746 5882 / office@baysidefamily.church You will stop experimenting. Whatever will We do with you? (Oct 2, 1987) This message was given in 1987. Too bad he lived for twenty more years.God is "getting ready" for the chastisement; John Paul II will be "exterminated" and replaced by the "despot", who is the Antichrist (Oct. 6, 1992)Wait...the antichrist is the man of sin (2 Thess. (May 17, 1986)Whatever one thinks about John Paul II's international travels, he certainly was not "destroyed" on one. He’s a very—I don’t know who he is; I don’t recognize him. Yes, My child, there will be blood flowing in the streets of the United States. And they're all laughing, like they're hysterically insane. He thinks this is funny." By having the speaker say "My Church", Veronica had to quickly clarify that it was now Jesus who was speaking. This is nonsense and heresy. Ray Johnston is one of the Senior Pastors of Bayside Church in Granite Bay, Ca. It is also amusing how Mary warns John Paul not to travel "away from his homeland", but immediately realizing that this would mean Poland, and that as Pope in Rome he is perpetually "away from his homeland", she has to qualify the statement by saying that John Paul II's "homeland" is actually the See of Rome.Prophecies of the impending assassination of John Paul II were very common. Bring a friend! I hope there is one coming up about what Sasquatch sightings really are. (Sept. 21, 1971). ("Occulations from Heaven", pg. (Apr. They are very, very important, My child. EAST BRADENTON, Fla. (WWSB) - The Mother-In-Law of a Bayside Community Church Worship Pastor is telling ABC 7 her side of the story. Now I would say about fifteen, or maybe seventeen, I'm count... no, thirteen, there are thirteen people. But our Lord specifically says that these attackers come from "a Communist nation" and that "submachine guns' are involved. Frivolous Subject Matter8. "I could repeat over and over the Message from Heaven of the past years. I can't explain it. What possible purpose if there for including this detail which is of no practical significance? All that has been destroyed and removed in My Son’s House are but symbols" (Oct 6, 1971). They say words that don't exist, use words in improper contexts, and sometimes, when Veronica messes up and says a wrong word, she goes back and tries to fabricate an explanation in order to preserve the farce. The text of the messages are taken from a website called These Last Days Ministries, commonly known as TLDM.org, which is the largest internet repository of the messages of Veronica. It is impossible to become "unbaptized." See also the message of May 30, 1971 for our Lady "wandering" the world.“I have arrived much earlier, My child, than expected, for I am busy in all parts of the world. They're all laughing." He is Our Vicar. Even friendship exists between spirits, for our Father placed the angels to be a heavenly world, the light of love reflected from the Father, giving them all light sublime. "Look also how St. Francis of Assisi refers to the mere "decorations" of the Mass:"I beg you more than if it were a question of myself that, when it is becoming and you will deem it convenient, you humbly beseech the clerics to venerate above all the most holy Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Name and written words which sanctify the body. Now I can’t see him. Here we see more bad theology as Veronica states that angels have genders, as well as ages, and that there is such a thing as "baby angels":"the lights now are coming out - I know they're angels. I can see now; they're pointing across the street, and I recognize the Empire State Building. Is this what you want, My children? The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:"Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. This tree was a monument to the very weaknesses that got Lucifer kicked out of Heaven, a warning for watchfulness: avoid the fruits of this tree that would be so appealing to the body, but would sicken and kill the soul. Here, we see Veronica, in a moment of sloppiness, assert that Purgatory is eternal:"There is no way other than straight through to Heaven, hell, or purgatory. 14, 1984).All the immunisms? Knowing love must be shared to be the fullest joy, He sort of subdivided Himself into a Family. And yet, on June 9, 1979, Jesus says through Veronica, "You cannot and must not break away and form your own groups." I don't know if they're Moslems. I warn you again: The United States of America is in great danger of invasion. Therefore she needs to find a quick explanation for her mess up. All-trusting Blessed Father has ... [words unclear] to trusting Lucifer, who was that snake in the grass, that His new children would forever be faithful and true, not prey to the blandishments to a fallen angel. These are all, I know, guardian angels. Already the plan is in motion. (Nov 1, 1985)Satan himself is on one of the transports!? For My Father’s House, My Son has repeated over and over: remember always that My Father’s House—there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds. All was paradise, a joy to our heavenly Father. We love sharing the life-changing love of God with anyone and everyone in word and in deed. It is very common and appears at the end of more than half of the Bayside messages. Already there are plans afoot, and in the making, with missiles and all dire instruments of destruction. Who knows. The Creator is your God, and His world is the Kingdom of Paradise" (June 18, 1980).On the contrary, "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof" (Ps. Contamination from blood transfusions world wide account for only 5-10% of infections. Woops. Lucy in fact lived for eighteen more years.In the following message, the Antichrist is said to be alive and operating in the United States in 1971:“The man of perdition is in your country. A true legally-ordained priest is far superior than any man, as he represents Me in the Godhead" (May 23, 1979).Veronica appears ignorant that deacons were married in the Early Church. I would say from the buildings that the city looks like New York. "And if a priest or a minister even has the dare to blaspheme himself and tell you that don't worry about sinning, because one day you will even be a god" (June 18, 1982). The Catholic Encyclopedia notes that a revelation is suspect if the visionary seems to be answering idle speculations or settling disputed questions in matters of history, theology or astronomy. They can only, then, be called a ’thing,’ a 'creature' unknown. You will not be saved if you do not read all the Bayside messages. And now also, there's Razene and Nadina and many others. In June 1986, we are only "hours" away from the next major war:"The hourglass now is almost empty; days can be counted by hours." The distinction "Mary" tries to make to cover this embarrassing error is completely arbitrary. Veronica - Oh! (June 18, 1988)Jesus and Mary need to get somebody's name and address! They are dressed in the most beautiful pastel shades of blue and pink and white.And I feel that the blue stands for the masculine angel, if there is such a thing; and the pink also for the feminine angels; and the whites are for babies. Awaken all people of the earth to the reality of Heaven, for to know them is to love them." (June 17, 1971)If we look beyond the names of who is supposed to be talking and realize how this actually sounded when it was being delivered, it is easy to see that Veronica slipped up and forgot who was speaking. Our Lady could have never had a purgative experience since she had no sin, let alone an experience of suffering punitive punishment in some kind of hell-like experience. A particular photograph from 1979 is given special prominence, as it allegedly predicts the exact hour of the Great Chastisement:“I ask that the photograph given from Heaven, Jacinta 1972 be propagated, made known worldwide; for within this photograph lies the date, the month, the hour, the year of the coming Chastisement. (June 18, 1988)Woops. (June 18, 1984). It is impossible for a baptized Catholic to die as anything but a baptized Catholic. Oh, no! Below is a January 12, 2010 letter Pastor Ray Johnston sent by email to the members of the Bayside Church. Jesus tells us to keep out of that darkness and always in Heaven's light" (Tape Transcript, August, 1970, p. 5-6).A few things here: Veronica specifically says that in the beginning was only God the Father, which she calls the "Spirit." O mournful heresy! I know for many years, Our Lady has referred to him as "Our Golden Boy." This is not unlike the absurd situation at Medjugorje where one of the visionaries, supposedly in an ecstasy, tried to explain her embarrassing flinching by saying that Mary looked as if she were going to drop the baby Jesus! This is contrary to what the Church has taught at the Council of Trent in Session XXII:"And whereas such is the nature of man, that, without external helps, he cannot easily be raised to the meditation of divine things; therefore has holy Mother Church instituted certain rites, to wit that certain things be pronounced in the mass in a low, and others in a louder, tone. Is 10,000 Satanic cults a realistic number? (May 17, 1986) The cornerstone of the Church is the Bible? "every single soul that is upon the earth today alive and those who have also been aborted, were brought into the world through the intercession of the Holy Spirit (Oct 1, 1988) Intercession of the Holy Spirit? Pastor Smith is the former- president and CEO of World Impact, an urban mission, church planting and leadership-development organization. Rev. (Sept 27, 1986)Jesus wants us to know that the thorns were inside a basket and that it was actually a basket of thorns that was forced on his head? Sign this petition. (June 18, 1994)Here, God the Son and His Mother depend upon Veronica to obtain a very trite piece of information for their records:"Now you will continue, My child; look forward and find the other wheelchair, My child. Much is being overlooked due to the quantity of messages" (Oct 6, 1988)Did you hear that? And now he's placing - after putting water, he dips his fork, this big fork, into the water, and then places it on top of the hot coals and they sizzle.

Join the guys from Bayside Santa Rosa for a Men’s Breakfast, Saturday, April 17th, from 8:00 – 9:15am. (Oct. 6, 1980).This is cultic in its exclusivity, a far cry from the universality of the true Faith. 20,115 were here. He has in his left hand a knife. He's still after me." 13:12). I am starting to believe life isn't fair! However, you cannot become involved, My child or My children, with any of these apparitions; it is best to ignore them." Oh, my goodness! Johnston plagiarized Warren's letter. (Dec. 25, 1971)“I have roamed, My child, the nations of the world. Clearly this was not the case. My tears have fallen in every land. Video … We are currently meeting in downtown Mobile, Alabama at The Cedar Street Social Club located at 4 North Cedar Street. Yes, My child, though he means well, it would be best if he discards his habit of going to and fro. His hair is a golden color. The photographs would then be examined for various signs or evidences of supernatural messages, including dates and clues to interpreting the messages. But he does look gorgeous. If you somehow read through this entire thing and still have absolutely no doubts about Bayside whatsoever, I don't know what to tell you. He is so huge! (May 17, 1986) Given the amount of people necessary to fully surrounded and infiltrate the United States, this must have been a massive number of people. Log In Sign Up A 1996 study of 12,000 reported cases of Satanic abuse revealed that not a single one was corroborated or even consider sufficiently factual. The foundation is My Son, but many now dishonor Him in His House. Yes, in time many will be removed from the earth. This beautiful story of grace, peace and redemption opened publicly on June 18, 1970 when the Mother of God visited Veronica Lueken on the grounds of the old St. Robert Bellarmine Church in Bayside, New York and later at the Vatican Pavilion site (blessed by Pope Paul VI) in Flushing Meadows Park, New York. I can tell you, My children, unfortunately there are those are caught up in the excitement of the times and My appearance at your site. These messages are very common. Maybe she means ransom them from being on the path to hell? Then there's another woman - they're all dressed in black canes with red on the interior - there's another woman, she's going over... and - oh no! I have been through purgatory. And he's dipping these prongs now into a boiling big kettle. What is the purpose of this warning? He is also on one of the transports.There is a reason they must use the transports. Thousands of them. For the only place that exists, My children, forever, is Heaven, hell, or purgatory." Only you can save him now, because, My children, in all factuality, We tell you: Without your prayers you will lose him within the next year" (Mar 18, 1989)Back in 1984, we were apparently only days away from World War III:"My child and My children, you do not understand how close you are on the brink to the Third World War, which could break out any day now." It's cut quite differently than He wore the last apparition time. We are used to clarifications from the Vatican Press Office, but from the Blessed Virgin? "I have asked you for the salvation of all souls. (Oct. 6, 1992)Apparently, Veronica is not aware that the Rapture is not a Catholic doctrine. In this manner will the governing bodies of many nations seek to control your children, and in that manner control the parent." "Disobedience to your Vicar [the Pope] will not be tolerated by the Eternal Father in matters of faith and morals." My child and My children, I will explain this to you more simply. A real warrior of Heaven. I have researched many private apparitions over the years, true and false, notable and obscure - Medjugorje, Garabandal, Fatima, Pinckney, Emmitsburg, the "Army of Mary" - Bayside takes the cake as the absolute stupidest, most unbelievable and ridiculously ludicrous of them all.I have created a table of contents for ease of browsing. A priest, My children, is a chosen man of God. The banality. Yes, ransom these souls whom Lucifer has bought." They will not expose themselves to you in their true light. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation" (CCC 1272). Bayside Life Church is a Family Oriented church serving the Rancho Cordova area of Sacramento. Visit us online today to get a brief introduction about our team! He consults on issues of multi-ethnicity, leadership, and community development. Aside from the weird grammar of "stop your intricacies" (intricacies is a plural noun and usually when you say 'Stop your x" the word in question is a verb), we see Jesus having to qualify His math. Many of Bayside's messages are rife with theological error, especially in the earlier messages. Yet we see just this in Bayside, where the content of the messages contains some extreme banalities.Flying saucers are "transports from hell." He always does that when he sees me; he turns and spins. Before Ray Johnston had a chance to start counting the money coming in from Tuesday's night donation plea, he is being exposed early Wednesday morning as seen below. And anyone that doubts this, I'll prove it to them. His face is extremely fat, and his teeth are huge. According to Catholic Tradition, eternal salvation is the primary purpose that God sends private revelations to individuals. Without denying the existence of Satanism, it is a known fact that the fears of the late 80's and 90's about massive underground Satanic cults were fictitious and more based in fantasy. "Already, there are five thousand or more now in the United States and Canada, and people ask: 'Where have my children disappeared to?'" And I will send forth from Heaven an army of angels. "Now, My children, I want you all to make a firm Act of Contrition, for those who die now in the outer world about you. One more example:Jesus: "My child and My children, do not become as Lot's wife, who had to look back and be turned to a pillar of stone—salt it was, My child, not stone; it was salt." I will never stop until My Son returns with Me." And His feet are bare. He changed his mind about something; He had stopped short and was looking down this way, and then He just turned over to the left, and said: "Follow Me!" But Jesus cannot misspeak. Welcome to the Bayside app where you can browse groups, check-in to events, tithe, watch church online, connect with your church … In this passage, Mary attempts to console the faithful about the liturgical destruction of the early 1970's by stating that the trappings of the liturgy and the altar are  "as nothing" and just "worldliness and decoration." Bayside Churchis an Australia church in fellowship with Crosslink Christian Network.The church is based in the Melbourne Bayside suburbs of Cheltenham and Frankston.The church’s founding senior pastors are Rob and Christie Buckingham. What about the pope's ordinary jurisdiction? "Now Jesus is looking down. Here we see a 1979 vision of a terrorist attack that is laughably stereotypical:"And now coming out of the sky, I see a very comical-looking figure. According to two separate locutions by Veronica, she calls him "golden boy" because of his blond hair:"Michael is very difficult to describe. "So what is it?" A famous 1988 study by America sociologist David Finklehor found only 36 cases of Satanic ritual abuse in the whole country (these numbers were even questioned because his criterion were so broad). Maybe. Here's another example from 1969, which states that death does not exist:"The word "death" should be removed from the dictionary, for there is no such state as death, only the exit from our body shell, for the real "you" is housed in the temporary housing for the soul or spirit, the human body casing, which we shed, so to say, on our trip to the Kingdom, in the company of the Heavenly guardians, the angels or the saints or another inhabitant of Heaven whom our Father chooses to send us to escort us home. It looks like a bomb, but it looks like the world with a wick sticking out of it. So they thought to take their implements and place these terrible thorn weeds inside of the basket - weave hat. A 30-year veteran of both youth and adult ministry, he’s the founding pastor of Bayside Church, which has grown to over 18,000 people. Sending out photographs of the missing children, this is of little help when they fall into the clutches of the satanists, for they do not remain about long. But she accidentally said "pay", which prompts a clumsy explanation about how we need to "pay." (Sept 27, 1986) I know that with the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, but seriously, is there any precedent anywhere in the entire Catholic Tradition of our Lord referring to our 365 day year as an "earth-year"? According to my own personal standards of credibility, even one of these problems would be sufficient to cast doubt on the whole thing, but I understand others' standards may be different.I have tried to create categories to make it easier to read. Many times I have forgotten to call upon him when there are difficulties" (Feb 1, 1973).This would mean that Veronica, alone in all of Christian tradition, has an archangel - a "high archangel" - as her personal guardian angel, presumably of the same rank with Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, the only other "archangels" known to Tradition. You will not fully understand what I say to you, My child, but I repeat it again: Shout! What happened was when Veronica said 2,000 years in 1986, she quickly realized that this would bring us back to 14 BC, clearly too soon for Jesus to have given any rules at all, so she adds the word "approximately" to the end of her statement to correct the embarrassing error.Another example of an "oops" moment is when St. Therese is speaking with Veronica and calls her "my child." And She wants everyone to know about this. "While We speak of agents of hell, My child, I also wish that you make it known that there are no vehicles coming from other planets. (Veronica gasps.) It is as if she is saying, "Don't worry about the ceremonies of the liturgy; what matters is that the Mass is valid. Do not expect this to come from Rome, for Rome now is under great attack. But he’s an Oriental and has very large teeth; and the grin, even, the way he’s grinning makes his teeth very—kind of prominent. "all who wear their scapulars and the Rosary will be saved. He likes to circle around. Now he’s bringing out from behind his back what appears to be a long tapered candle. This is another example of how sometimes Veronica cannot keep track of who is supposed to be talking and has to offer retroactive clarifications when embarrassing or inaccurate statements are made. She says that the "mark" impressed at baptism can be cast away. And yet the rooms of heaven are said here by the Virgin to refer to "faiths and creeds"? You had your chance!" I think she forgot who was supposed to be speaking:Mary:  “Life is eternal. Here we see her describing the sort of weaving his clothes are made of:"And there coming through the light is Jesus. (June 30, 1984)Notice that it says the U.S. was "surrounded." To give them as though you were machines, manufacturing them for another?" She was saying the same thing almost ten years earlier, though in a much more alarmist manner:"The Eternal Father has the Ball poised in His hand; your end can come by day. Only then could we in any meaningful sense be "surrounded." Some of it is, but some of it is incorrect history, failed prophecies, weirdness or just plain stupidity. (June 17, 1989)That was very nice of Jesus to come from Heaven to explain to us the vicinity from which He obtained the boards He was crucified on. Thus She chose to use the word "forever," as this is earth's time, meaning till the end of time, or till the day of the final judgment. (June 18, 1987)No doubt this message, dated from 1987, was influenced by the unfolding Iran-Contra scandal. There is much turmoil." Yes, there will be bacon! We are one church in nine locations. The rest of the world was not effected, let alone paralyzed. Bad Grammar/Jesus and Our Lady Messing Up Their Words, 11. It’s as though a veil is being placed over the scene" (July 25, 1979).A fat oriental with a big grin and big teeth? Good clarification. It is very difficult to argue that something did not happen because of prayer; but it does demonstrate that the Bayside prophecies of future calamity did not come true despite being put forward as imminent; it also shows the non-verifiable nature of the Bayside messages.

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